Scottish Educators Are in Denial That Some Schools Have No Consequences — So Let's Name Names

In this video, Dr. Justin Baeder discusses the challenges of getting honest reporting about failed no-consequence policies in Scottish schools, and why educators fear speaking out.

Key Takeaways

  • Many people don't believe the problem exists - Those who haven't personally witnessed school violence and chaos often dismiss reports of it
  • Educators face professional consequences for speaking out - Fear of retaliation delays public awareness until significant damage has already occurred
  • Policy failure leads to defensiveness - When widely advocated policies fail, stakeholders deny problems rather than acknowledge failures
  • This isn't just a Scottish problem - Similar issues with no-consequence policies exist in the United States and throughout English-speaking countries

Transcript

Is this stuff really happening, this chaos and violence in schools, especially in Scotland?

A lot of Scottish educators seem to be mad at me because I shared information from an LBC story about an inclusion strategy, and they're using the term inclusion to mean students cannot be sent out of the classroom, And they do have inclusion in the sense that we have inclusion in the United States, and there's some different terminology being used there.

But people don't believe that this is actually happening in schools because they haven't seen it personally.

And I get that reaction in the United States as well, that, oh, my kid's school is not like that.

The school where I work is not like that.

You're crazy.

You're making this up.

I'm like, why would I make this up?

I don't need to make this up.

You can listen to the teachers who work in these schools, but the thing you have to realize is that there are consequences for educators who speak up and say, you know what?

In my school, things are terrible.

If you say that publicly as an educator, you get in trouble, and that means that the public only learns about these things belatedly, right?

And policymakers only learn about these things after it's too late for a lot of students and a lot of teachers and there's turnover and just terrible things happening in schools.

So here's my question for you.

Name some specific schools.

I've been challenged to name specific schools in Scotland where this stuff is happening, where there are no consequences for behavior.

Kids can't be sent out of the room no matter what they do.

Tell me the names of specific schools and I will share them in the comments.

Or if you have an anonymous enough TikTok account, share them in the comments here.

If your TikTok account is not anonymous and this could get traced back to you, just send me a private message and I'll post the name without saying who told me that because I want to hear it firsthand from people.

And obviously...

there are challenges when it comes to getting reliable firsthand reports from people who would face consequences for giving those firsthand reports.

This is an unpopular thing to say, but I think it's really important that we tell the truth about what is happening in schools and not try to suppress that because it's inconvenient, right?

When the government has a policy that is supposed to be great, maybe a lot of educators have been advocating for a policy that does not use exclusionary discipline because exclusionary discipline feels yucky.

Well, when everyone is invested in that strategy and in that policy, and then it turns out to not work, well, that catches people off guard.

That makes people embarrassed and defensive and puts them in denial about what's actually happening.

And I think the solution to that is to listen to educators, listen to the people who are working in these schools, the people who are being injured in these schools, the people who are not able to do their jobs because these policies are failing so badly.

And it's the policies that deserve our focus and our criticism here, right?

I'm not criticizing Scotland.

We have all of these problems in the United States.

I'm criticizing these policies that do not work and that have never worked and that have enthusiastically been promulgated across the entire world, at least the entire English-speaking world that I'm aware of, maybe elsewhere as well.

These policies that just say you don't have to have consequences.

It is not necessary to have consequences.

Yes, it is.

You have to have consequences or schools will become chaotic and unsafe.

So let me know the specific names of schools, either anonymously, send me a private message, and I'll post in the comments.

Because I want people to see that this is happening, and I want to validate to people who are in Scotland that yes, this is happening in your country.

Thanks.

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